ITT: Orcs and Half Orcs.
Orcs are probably the third most common non-human fantasy race, just behind Elves and Dwarves, but they're almost invariably the bad guys. Half Orcs can be good, but they tend to be the product of, well, rape. Why is this, /tg/? What is it about Orcs that automatically makes them bad guys? And have there been any good-aligned Orcs worth mentioning/discussion?
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:02 No.10010284They're a truebreeding race. |
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Lorthos, the Freshmaker 05/23/10(Sun)18:03 No.10010307orcs are instinctively hostile, warlike, and hateful of others, or so all the fluff seems to indicate |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:03 No.10010313BECAUSE THE WORD "ORC" LITERALLY MEANS "MONSTER/DEMON" AND THEY ARE AN UTTERLY POINTLESS ADDITION TO A SETTING IF THEY AREN'T EVIL. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:04 No.10010325I just play Orc society like Sierra Leone or Somalia. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:05 No.10010342Orcs have always kinda been the headstrong, violent type, and it's a little hard to come up with a way to be bloodthirsty AND good. They want war and conquest, most other fantasy races want peace. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:07 No.10010366Orcs are pretty much the basis of most racism accusations against the genre of fantasy, held in contrast to elves. Orcs are dark skinned and stupid, brutal and warlike. Elves are (mostly, fuck off Drow) white as the driven snow and perfect in all things. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:07 No.10010382Mostly it's the fact that as a species they're usually shoehorned into the strong-but-stupid role. This does not bode well for their group decisions. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:08 No.10010396Orcs are goodguys in Elder Scrolls most of the time. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:08 No.10010404I'm sure that if you put enough effort into it, you could see racism anywhere. But yeah, orcs are stupid assholes in most settings, more fit to be mowed down by a party than anything else. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:08 No.10010405 File1274652511.gif-(13 KB, 267x238, friendcomputer.gif) ![]() One-Eye likes it when his creations do incredibly creative violence. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:14 No.10010502In ebberron orcs are the good guys. They invented druidism and most of them hang around a hole into one of the hells not letting things out. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:14 No.10010508ITT lets craft a highly civilized EVIL BRUTAL ORC EMPIRE. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:14 No.10010510Orcs can be good if you stick their tribe in an environment filled with chaotic evil creatures. Killing evil is good, so eventually their OBJECTIVE alignment will go to good. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:15 No.10010534Orcs can't possibly be good guys because they're ugly. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:21 No.10010659Aside from being violent and evil etc etc, aren't orcs fucking retarded? INT 6 retarded? I don't see them having the brains to govern. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:21 No.10010676Orcs in my personal setting are part of a conglomerate Holy Roman Empire-esque civilization made up of Elves, Humans and Orcs, as they all can and do interbreed, which has brought more unity. Orcs are generally middle to lower classes, humans are lower middle middle to middle, and elves are upper middle to upper class, the nobles and merchants mostly. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:22 No.10010692The most terrifying force of nature that could ever happen in the magical land of Dungeons and Dragons would be forged out of the shed blood of a thousand orcs to create the singular orcish army. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:24 No.10010729>your picture |
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officer nocaps !!Q8Vcpb6o4SH 05/23/10(Sun)18:24 No.10010742honestly evil races is pretty fucking stupid |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:27 No.10010790Fucking Orcs, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a Dungeon Master. Y'all fuckers lying, and being real bastards. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:28 No.10010806Orcs in the campaign I'm playing in are pretty badass. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:29 No.10010826How about a civilised orc nation with highly ritualized violence? Can you imagine an orc`s gentleman duel? |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:31 No.10010865In my setting Orcs are ancestors of Giants and sort of a half-way between Dwarves and Elves. They live in ornate cities carved from rock face and massive trees. They're a militant society based around ancestor worship and honor. They often work as mercenaries and body guards for the extremely rich and powerful and act as samurai and warlords, commanding troops that they are supplied. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:32 No.10010879I wish I had a nickel for every time this thread is made. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:33 No.10010887I love Eberron's Orcs. Badass druidic warriors or exploitative mining barons who employ monster mercenaries and can find anyone, for the right price. |
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Alpharius 05/23/10(Sun)18:36 No.10010948I just wish I had a nickel. I'm broke as shit. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:36 No.10010949 File1274654191.jpg-(56 KB, 300x413, Orccy_Bravo.jpg) ![]() Charismatic leader of the Orcs. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:37 No.10010960I had a half-ork that was into books, cooking, dorf fortressan and empire buildan. Wanted to gain experience in the non-frozen south, Peter the Great-style, return home, unite tribes, form Russia, fuck some neighbour kingdom up if possible. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:39 No.10010990 File1274654341.jpg-(266 KB, 800x600, GOOD ORC.jpg) ![]() Derp. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:45 No.10011101So, Orcs typically crush weaker races, but what if instead of that they protect them? They see it like a parent protecting a child because the child is too small and weak to do it themselves, but will one day grow into something great and strong. So the Orcs protect the humans, because they know that one day the humans will become strong. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:55 No.10011275the central concept of an orc is something good twisted into something evil and hateful. Orcs definitely have more of an evil flavor than elves or dwarves have a good flavor -- afterall, in LotR, the dwarves were Neutral Incarnate, and the elves were only still in the world because they made a deal with Goddamn Sauron. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)18:59 No.10011336In the campaign I am going to be running, the largest city around will be an Orc city. The Orc's will be leaning towards the CG area and will be advance and noble. Goblins will also be important and will be in the LN area. The society puts a great deal of importance on contracts. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:24 No.10011817>Why do Orcs have to be evil? |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:26 No.10011859>In order to feel better about themselves, the wheezing, sweating basement-trolls must create some monstrous beast of bulk and muscle for the witty self-insert hero to overcome. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:26 No.10011863AGE OF WONDERS |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:31 No.10011949>last I checked almost every race in that game was arbitrarily designated as pure good or pure evil. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:32 No.10011966Human: New Race, only around for about 1000 years. Quickly caught up to the three other main races because their heartiness and ability to cultivate land that the other races have labeled as wastelands. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:38 No.100120581274658275422.jpg" target="_blank">1274658275.jpg-(48 KB, 525x495, so goddamn eigthies.jpg)so, can love bloom? |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:45 No.10012198Honestly, if you want a credible new take on orcs, get rid of the "every race can interbreed" shit. If humans and orcs can interbreed, they are the same species or they somehow have magic sex that makes magic half babies. It's the oldest fucking cliche in the fantasy genre. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:47 No.10012253In one campaign I'm working with, orcs analog to pre-Islam Middle East, with the tribalism and their semi-shamanistic dervishes and such. The Half-orcs are actually turning into the more ...I want to say noble-aspiring, but that's not quite the right word. Good-intentioned is closer, but still not quite it. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:49 No.10012295Orcs are the manliest manly men with 12" dicks. Once you go Orc, you will never go back. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:51 No.10012324Orcs as Romans. Discipline, ordered, Imperialistic. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)19:56 No.10012427>The mechanics weren't. I was talking about fluff. |
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Anonymous 05/23/10(Sun)22:32 No.10015332New Thread |
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Anonymous 05/24/10(Mon)01:37 No.10018288harmony harmony oh love |
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Anonymous 05/24/10(Mon)03:17 No.10019753i treat orcs more like one of the more warlike tribes of native americans. they have a culture but still embrace their savage nature. some might kill you just for the hell of it, but most would let you be unless you're fucking with them somehow of have something they really want. |
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Anonymous 05/24/10(Mon)03:23 No.10019844IT'Z CUZ ALL DEM PUNY RUNTS IZ JELOUZ OF US ORKZ! WE IZ DA SUPERIOR RACE AN DEYZ KNOWZ IT! |